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Maybe I should just assume that all the shouting is a natural stage that people have to go through and maybe later on, in private when they're not losing face, they will actually adjust their language.

Well, I don't necessarily mean it's *ok*, just that I'm not *surprised* there's pushback. I expect some people will just always be defensive, but some people may eventually get on the right side if they realise it's not about them having said the wrong thing in the past, but about not saying things which hurt people in future.

Don't feel the need to link to particular examples if it might be controversial, but what sort of things were you thinking of -- did it seem like NEW objections, or just ongoing objections gathering momentum rather than dying away? Whether people had some specific objections, or were just saying "don't understand, don't want"?