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Someone in my circle asked me if I know of any material about Kabbalah by / for women. And I really really don't, but I bet I know people who do; any offers?
I feel like this is the kind of thing I ought to know, I am usually able to suggest resources when people ask me Judaism questions. The thing is that I'm really not drawn to mysticism. I sort of jokingly call myself a Litvak or a 'snag, which is a bit ridiculous, it's taking a position on 18th century religious and cultural issues I have only the vaguest idea of (a bit like trying to decide whether I'm a "Mod" or a "Rocker", I suppose). But most of what I love about Judaism intellectually is the legal detail, the formal logic and systematic stuff, everything intellectually rigorous in the way that's considered prestigious in academia in my secular culture. And most of what I love about it as a practice is almost exclusively exoteric, I like fixed ritual and common observance, I like communities that do practical things and provide support to their members, organized religion, in short. Not really inward spiritual stuff, I'm quite the opposite of all those people who claim to be spiritual but not religious.
So I have absolutely no time for the kind of new-agey magic type approach to Kabbalah; very often it's fairly culturally appropriative anyway, but even when it's authentically Jewish I'm completely put off. I am somewhat interested in a more scholarly approach to the mystical tradition, the kind that's based on detailed text study, but nearly always when I get that kind of opportunity for learning I'll gravitate towards something more Halachic and less mystical. I've learned a bit from R' Mark Solomon who is nothing if not intellectually rigorous, enough to convince me that there's something in this mystical tradition. But not enough that I can really talk usefully about the gender stuff.
I mean, there's the sexism of the context, where the tradition was that only men over the age of 40 could study Kabbalah at all. Which is mostly the kind of restriction that happens with mysticism, it's considered dangerous and only the most highly responsible people are allowed to engage with it – there are other restrictions, I think you are also supposed to be observant and knowledgeable and generally a steady and virtuous sort of person – but the thing is that at the time this was formulated women were automatically excluded from the category who might be safe in dealing with the esoteric bits of religion. And I know there is historical evidence for women's spiritual practice but most of it never got written down, what we have of it is fragments like Tzenarena and disapproving mentions in male-focused legal codes.
And there's also the sexism of the metaphorical structures of Kabbalah itself. There's this idea that the act of creation separated Godness into "masculine" and "feminine" aspects, and that mystics can contribute to reuniting God into one in a mystical-sexual sense and end the disharmony which is responsible for suffering and evil. (I haven't explained that at all well, as I said, I suck at mysticism.) But unsurprisingly there are lots of horrible gender-essentialist expansions on this, I mean, some of them are slantwise to twentieth century Anglo gender essentialism, like the aspect of Heroism / Justice / Virility (!) being classified as "feminine", but still annoyingly binary. And that's before you get to the interpretations which imply that God's "feminine" nature (rather than the disharmony between the aspects) is the source of evil.
So does anyone know of any good resources dealing with these things? And probably lots of other stuff that I haven't thought to ask about, given how little I know about Kabbalah or feminist scholarship in this area.
People who have no idea what I'm babbling on about, or indeed people who happen to be knowledgeable about two widely contrasting areas: can anyone help bring me up to speed on My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic? I'm making friends with two small children who are hugely into the series and I could do with a primer, enough to be able to talk to them usefully or at least understand the stories they very earnestly tell me.
I may just have to sit and watch some episodes, but I'm not inclined to consume the whole thing; any eps you'd recommend to give me a good sense for how the 'verse works? I mean, these kids are better at abstract thought than my informants when I was trying to get a sense of Power Rangers fandom in the 90s (in order to include them in the script of the panto I was commissioned to write), but even they tend to get a little bogged down in detail when I ask for explanations. Apparently I'm a bit like Pinkie Pie, but that might just be the extrovert thing.
I do find it a little disturbing how the pastel coloured but still basically ponies of my childhood are a lot more like sexy young women in the reboot. The huge eyes, the very thin long-legged body types which seem to allude to conventionally attractive post-pubescent women. And the way they so often stand on hind legs and use their forelegs as hands, in many of the glimpses I've seen of the animation, kind of grosses me out a little. However being prudish about this kind of thing isn't going to help, I'd much rather be positive about getting a sense of other people's fandom.
I feel like this is the kind of thing I ought to know, I am usually able to suggest resources when people ask me Judaism questions. The thing is that I'm really not drawn to mysticism. I sort of jokingly call myself a Litvak or a 'snag, which is a bit ridiculous, it's taking a position on 18th century religious and cultural issues I have only the vaguest idea of (a bit like trying to decide whether I'm a "Mod" or a "Rocker", I suppose). But most of what I love about Judaism intellectually is the legal detail, the formal logic and systematic stuff, everything intellectually rigorous in the way that's considered prestigious in academia in my secular culture. And most of what I love about it as a practice is almost exclusively exoteric, I like fixed ritual and common observance, I like communities that do practical things and provide support to their members, organized religion, in short. Not really inward spiritual stuff, I'm quite the opposite of all those people who claim to be spiritual but not religious.
So I have absolutely no time for the kind of new-agey magic type approach to Kabbalah; very often it's fairly culturally appropriative anyway, but even when it's authentically Jewish I'm completely put off. I am somewhat interested in a more scholarly approach to the mystical tradition, the kind that's based on detailed text study, but nearly always when I get that kind of opportunity for learning I'll gravitate towards something more Halachic and less mystical. I've learned a bit from R' Mark Solomon who is nothing if not intellectually rigorous, enough to convince me that there's something in this mystical tradition. But not enough that I can really talk usefully about the gender stuff.
I mean, there's the sexism of the context, where the tradition was that only men over the age of 40 could study Kabbalah at all. Which is mostly the kind of restriction that happens with mysticism, it's considered dangerous and only the most highly responsible people are allowed to engage with it – there are other restrictions, I think you are also supposed to be observant and knowledgeable and generally a steady and virtuous sort of person – but the thing is that at the time this was formulated women were automatically excluded from the category who might be safe in dealing with the esoteric bits of religion. And I know there is historical evidence for women's spiritual practice but most of it never got written down, what we have of it is fragments like Tzenarena and disapproving mentions in male-focused legal codes.
And there's also the sexism of the metaphorical structures of Kabbalah itself. There's this idea that the act of creation separated Godness into "masculine" and "feminine" aspects, and that mystics can contribute to reuniting God into one in a mystical-sexual sense and end the disharmony which is responsible for suffering and evil. (I haven't explained that at all well, as I said, I suck at mysticism.) But unsurprisingly there are lots of horrible gender-essentialist expansions on this, I mean, some of them are slantwise to twentieth century Anglo gender essentialism, like the aspect of Heroism / Justice / Virility (!) being classified as "feminine", but still annoyingly binary. And that's before you get to the interpretations which imply that God's "feminine" nature (rather than the disharmony between the aspects) is the source of evil.
So does anyone know of any good resources dealing with these things? And probably lots of other stuff that I haven't thought to ask about, given how little I know about Kabbalah or feminist scholarship in this area.
People who have no idea what I'm babbling on about, or indeed people who happen to be knowledgeable about two widely contrasting areas: can anyone help bring me up to speed on My Little Pony : Friendship is Magic? I'm making friends with two small children who are hugely into the series and I could do with a primer, enough to be able to talk to them usefully or at least understand the stories they very earnestly tell me.
I may just have to sit and watch some episodes, but I'm not inclined to consume the whole thing; any eps you'd recommend to give me a good sense for how the 'verse works? I mean, these kids are better at abstract thought than my informants when I was trying to get a sense of Power Rangers fandom in the 90s (in order to include them in the script of the panto I was commissioned to write), but even they tend to get a little bogged down in detail when I ask for explanations. Apparently I'm a bit like Pinkie Pie, but that might just be the extrovert thing.
I do find it a little disturbing how the pastel coloured but still basically ponies of my childhood are a lot more like sexy young women in the reboot. The huge eyes, the very thin long-legged body types which seem to allude to conventionally attractive post-pubescent women. And the way they so often stand on hind legs and use their forelegs as hands, in many of the glimpses I've seen of the animation, kind of grosses me out a little. However being prudish about this kind of thing isn't going to help, I'd much rather be positive about getting a sense of other people's fandom.
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Date: 2015-04-24 01:16 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2015-04-24 02:04 pm (UTC)The amulet jars thing sounds fascinating, thank you for digging out that link. My understanding is that the person who asked me is probably most after relatively recent thought about Kabbalah rather than evidence for historical Jewish women's mysticism, I just mentioned the latter because the thought was sparked off by being asked that question.
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Date: 2015-04-24 06:58 pm (UTC)The most in depth reading I've done on Kabbalah has been several chapters of Gershom Scholem's academic overview of the subject, after which I got bored of trying to parse out the difference between various versions of Merkabah traditions.
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Date: 2015-04-24 03:40 pm (UTC)Heh - this applies to me too. There seems to be a mixture of people of both sorts in Quakerism, and I've heard similar of Judaism from others as well as you.
Yes, modern MLP - looks a bit scary, though I hear very good things about the setup and plots.
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Date: 2015-04-24 04:14 pm (UTC)And it's always nice to find other people who throw themselves into the practical, organizational side of religion, thank you for saying.
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Date: 2015-04-24 07:02 pm (UTC)The kids who watch MLP are watching the show, not looking at stills. What they take from it is completely different from what an adult who's completely unfamiliar with it takes by glancing at stills and brief clips, and comparing its purely visual elements divorced from context with a show from your own childhood that you watched in entirety.
It's been a while since I watched season one, but I recall enjoying "Sonic Rainboom," "Dragonshy," and "Party of One." The episodes are only 20 minutes long, and watching even one should give you a better sense of the show.
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Date: 2015-04-27 12:33 pm (UTC)I wrote my post in a bit of a rush and I think I muddled several different points. It's not that I'm super nostalgic for My Little Ponies from when I was a child, and I'm annoyed because they've changed things. I can't remember ever watching the TV show, if I did it certainly wasn't a regular thing as we didn't have a TV at home. Rather the ponies were a regular feature of pretend play when I was in the target age group, and I got picked on a lot because I didn't have a pony toy of my own, and later on because I had a knock-off one that wasn't official merch. I mean, I get the impression that the modern show would be much better at hammering the message that you shouldn't be mean to the kid who doesn't have the right toys, but still.
The fact I find the visuals really really uncanny valley was meant to be separate from that. I mean, I am bit sad in general that all female animated characters in all of children's TV seem to converge on this type with huge eyes and thick eyelashes and long legs and thin yet curvy bodies. But the problem is the trend, not that MLP is a particular instance of it; it struck me as noticeable because of the contrast with the more pony-like ponies from the 80s. But the thing of using their forelegs as hands, and the fact that said forelegs don't stay a consistent length, bothers me not on a moral level but just I find it really hard to watch! Certainly not something I'd blame young fans for.
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Date: 2015-04-25 01:32 am (UTC)Applejack is the farmer girl who is Hard Work personified, with the attendant headstrong-ness.
Pinkie Pie is the Manic Pixie Dream Girl of endless energy and comedy.
Rarity is the fashion-conscious one with a perfectionist steak.
Rainbow Dash is the other endless-energy sport-obsessed pony.
Fluttershy is the timid one with the gift of talking to animals.
And then there are three young ponies who get used when the story demands something that the main cast won't be able to accomplish.
The main dragon antagonist, Discord, is voiced by John deLancie.
I hope that's a good grounding. There's a Wikia wiki if you need more information, but the show is starting Season Five, so there's a good chance the wiki will be a giant info dump.
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Date: 2015-04-30 11:53 am (UTC)Discord is not a dragon but his own kind of beast, and is one of a series of antagonists - typically seasons start and end with some major threat, and the rest of the episodes are more ordinary in nature, especially in the earlier seasons. He's now a mostly-reformed character. He's still incredibly annoying (both to the other ponies and to the viewer).
Ponies are either unicorns (whose horns do telekinesis and maybe some other magic - Twilight, Rarity), pegasi (can fly - Dashie, Fluttershy), or earth ponies (neither - Applejack, Pinkie Pie) - save that the ruling caste, Princesses Celestia, Luna, and Cadence are "alicorns" with wings and horns, and Twilight recently turned into one and is now a princess.
There's some male supporting characters but essentially the Celestian Regime is a matriarchy.
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Date: 2015-05-01 01:08 pm (UTC)The thing about earth pony / unicorn / Pegasus / alicorn is very useful, I was helping with some pretend play last week and I kept forgetting which of the pony toys are supposed to be able to fly.
I think the children have maybe not got up to Discord being a reformed character, they keep telling me what a bad guy he is. Also not a dragon, ok.
Rainbow Dash has the ego as well as being sporty, also useful.
And good point about the gender balance, it's still kind of surprising to see an ensemble of six female characters with most of the secondary characters female too. I admit it's hard to think of a reasonable in-world explanation for that gender balance; Potemkin village in a Soviet matriarchy makes as much sense as anything!
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Date: 2015-05-01 01:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2015-05-05 03:59 pm (UTC)Ah, that was misphrased; the matriarchy bit and the Soviet bit are sort of independent of each other.